Sunday, April 2, 2023

The Three Jewish sects: Ashkenazi, Sephardic and Karaite


 


The Ashkenazi Jews or Ashkenazim hail from Germany, Poland, Russia, Ukraine and those communities close to these European countries.

The origin of the Sephardic Jews or the Sephardim is Spain.  However, when Muslims and Jews left Spain together (in 1492 AD) due to their expulsion, the Sephardic Jews spread to several eastern countries, the most important of which were Turkey, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Egypt.

As for the Karaite Jews, who are fewer in number than the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim, the majority of them lived in Egypt, Iraq, Turkey and Russia.

The number of Jews in our world today is estimated at 16-17 million, among which approximately 11-12 million are Ashkenazim, 5-6 million are Sephardim, and only one hundred thousand are Karaites.

Between the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim, there are differences regarding a large number of issues within the law (halakhah). However, the differences between them (together) and between the Karaites are much greater.  The Ashkenazim and the Sephardim (together called the Rabbinic Jews) believe in the Torah and the rest of the chapters of the Bible (the Tanakh) as well as the “Talmud” (its two parts: the Mishna and the Gemara) and the Midrash. In contradistinction, the Karaite Jews follow only the 5 chapters comprising the Torah, i.e., Genesis and Exodus, the Book of Leviticus, the Book of Numbers, and the Book of Deuteronomy.

As for the "Mizrahi Jews," they are not a religious sect but rather are Oriental Jews. Their number represents one-fifth of the world's Jewish population as well as half the Jews within the State of Israel. The origin of the word Mizrahim--מִזְרָחִים is derived from the name of Egypt in the Hebrew language: Mizraim: מִצְרַיִם‎. Note that the Mizrahi Jew may be from either the Sephardic tradition or from the Karaite.

 


Tuesday, December 27, 2022

The Dilemma of “Us” and “Them”


In all cultures, the "us and them" dilemma plays negative roles, but these roles vary.  I tend to believe this dilemma reaches its highest level (i.e., its worst manifestation) in societies with a pastoral history, while it is less acute in agricultural and industrial societies.

During the last half century, a theocratic/religious culture has spread in Arabic-speaking societies.  Because this culture was born in a pastoral environment(s), the mentalities of many in Arabic-speaking societies have become characterized by a culture of hostility towards the "other", even in non-pastoral societies.

If it were up to me, I would make the educational material in our society serve the value of accepting the other and understand the issue of "us and them" in a positive way.  In a society like Egypt, this is not a difficult task.  Egyptian society is not comparable to societies in the same region, with some twenty sects.

The question of the culture of "us and them" and the value of accepting the other is not a secondary issue, but an extremely important and serious one.

A large percentage of the citizens of Arabic-speaking societies today have a non-positive and sometimes even hostile view of the “other” in all its forms including the religious other, the ethnic other, and the other in terms of identity and nationality.

What has happened during the last decade in societies such as Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, and before all of them Lebanon, in terms of fragmentation, rivalry, and divisions that sometimes have reached the point of fighting, was one of the repercussions of the "dilemma of us and them.”

The author of this article has written a lot about the “values of progress.” As such, there is no doubt that all of these values (i.e., the values of progress) are based upon what some call “altruism” and others call “acceptance of the other,” which is the basis of a positive mentality regarding "us and them".  Acceptance of the other is the cornerstone of another very important value: "coexistence".

 

 Written on December 27, 2022.



Thursday, December 22, 2022

Jews of Arabic-speaking societies


One of the topics in which I maintain an ongoing interest is that of the "Jews of Arabic-speaking societies." I have read a great deal about them and met many of them as well. There is no doubt that my interest in the Jews of Egypt was the starting point. I then spent years (during the seventies of the last century) in Morocco, during which I became interested in Moroccan Jews. Finally, I developed an interest in the Jews of Iraq. While I could write a book about the Jews of Arabic-speaking societies, I will limit myself here to highlighting one dimension, which is "the Jews of Arabic-speaking societies and the degree of modernity within these societies." The time span for this topic is the period from the beginning of the nineteenth century to the present day. 

A study of the conditions of these societies in general and the condition of Egyptian society in particular confirms the existence of a relationship between the presence of the Jews in these societies and the degree of their modernity. The conditions of Egypt during this era prove the argument which finds the presence and activities of the Jews reflecting the modern trends in Egyptian society. Further, the imposition of an intended (forced) end to the presence of the Jews within Egypt was accompanied by a process of apostasy from modernist tendencies. This argument does not suggest that the Jews within a society, such as within Egypt, were the spearhead of the modernist tendencies, but rather the Jews and their activities were a manifestation of that society’s modernist tendencies. The presence of the Jews was the result of a political, social, and cultural climate characterized by three values: "pluralism", "altruism" (acceptance of the other), and "coexistence".  

Since the fifties of the last century, the prevalence of these values has markedly declined.  This decline has been accompanied by the exodus of most Jews and the beginning of a period of pressure on other Egyptian minorities, foremost among them Christian citizens. There is no doubt that the "citizenship of Egyptian Christians" during the first half of the last century was closer to perfection than the citizenship of Egyptian Christians in the decades following.


Wednesday, July 6, 2022

The Cornerstones of my Mindset



I know very well the size of the gap between my thinking and the thinking of the majority in Egypt:

~I firmly believe that religion is a personal matter and not a general reference for society.

~I believe in positive laws that change over time.

~I believe in reason, not transmission and intuition.

~I believe in scientific thinking according to its stable definition in the most advanced world since the nineteenth century AD.

~I believe in pluralism, altruism (accepting the other) and coexistence.

~I believe that women are 100% equal to men and that they have all his rights.

~I believe in citizenship as a framework for the relationship of the sons and daughters of society to their country.

~And I believe that non-Muslim Egyptians (primarily the Orthodox Copts) have the same and all the rights of Egyptian Muslims, including the right to occupy any position, including the presidency.

~And I believe that the issues of Egypt are more important to me than the issues of others, including the Palestinian issue.

~I believe in the right of the state to fully supervise all the institutions that the state grants its budgets. This includes state supervision over the education provided by these institutions.

And I know that my belief in these ten things is what makes the gap between my thinking and the thinking of the majority of contemporary Egyptians so great.

But I don't care about that.

My knowledge of history assures me that this is a natural, timeless, and changeable difference. If this difference weakened my resolve, I would have little faith in these ideas. I am sure that “science,” “reason,” “light,” and “progress” stand with me.

 




Tuesday, June 7, 2022

The Muslim Brotherhood’s Past and Present: An Analysis of “9 Bedford Row’s” Reports

My essay on the MBs that was published by the Egyptian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.  Despite the fact that this essay was written six years ago, it could be read as if it was written earlier today.

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The Muslim Brotherhood’s Past and Present: An Analysis of “9 Bedford Row’s” Reports

Over the past four years, a great deal of both scholarly work as well as media analysis of the Muslim Brotherhood has been produced, focusing in particular on its year in power in Egypt. What is striking is how partisan and politicized much of this literature is, particularly since the removal of the Brotherhood from power in 2013. Any mention of the Brotherhood frequently provokes polemical debates between writers and commentators, often falling across an East/West divide. As a result, much of what is published eschews balanced and objective analysis.

It is against this backdrop that I was pleasantly surprised – while undertaking my most recent research project on the history of the Muslim Brotherhood and its year in power in Egypt – to come across two thorough and incisive reports published by the British Nine (9) Bedford Row. The first report on “The History of the Muslim Brotherhood”, comprehensively documents the history and development of the Brotherhood since its establishment in 1928, as well as its organizational structure, ideology and method of expansion. The second report on “The Egyptian Experience of the Muslim Brotherhood in Power”, discusses in meticulous detail the reasons for the rise and fall of the Brotherhood between 2012 and 2013.

In this blog post, I will review and discuss some of the most important findings of 9 Bedford Row’s two reports, which highlight many unknown truths about the Brotherhood. It is my firm belief that the Brotherhood never had any intention of establishing a democratic state in Egypt, and that they simply attempted to manipulate democracy to achieve their own ends. The West tends to forget that the Brotherhood abused their year in government to hijack Egypt’s 2011 revolution and to consolidate their rule. Brotherhood figures have continued, to this day, to state that the organization is not committed to Western democratic values, which they believe do not honour the rule of God.

In fact, the Brotherhood’s sinister objectives can only be understood upon closer scrutiny of its history of violence and its ties to Islamic extremist and terrorist groups. The first report by 9 Bedford Row is key to properly understanding this context.

  1. The Brotherhood’s History of Violence and ties to terrorism:

Established in Egypt in 1928 to reinstate the Islamic Caliphate dissolved by Kemal Ataturk, ever since its earliest days the Brotherhood has embraced the rhetoric of violence. Hassan El-Banna, the Brotherhood’s founder “demanded controls over all media of communication,” as he regarded theatres, films, radio, popular music, and the press as promoting vice and immorality. He called for strict surveillance of public spaces and heavier punishments for “crimes against morality”. He tolerated and condoned acts of intolerance and violence against religious minorities as well as women who did not wear “correct Islamic attire” (paras 52-55).

Because El-Banna sought to expand the Brotherhood’s reach as far as possible, the movement accommodated and at times encouraged militant and extremist reactionary elements. In fact, he went so far as to express his readiness to declare war against “every leader, every party and every organization” that did not implement the Brotherhood’s programmes (para 59, 63).

Throughout the 1940’s, the Brotherhood’s “Secret Apparatus”, a paramilitary unit established by El-Banna, perpetrated serious acts of political violence. Among those they assassinated were a prominent judge, the Cairo Chief of Police and Egypt’s Prime Minister. In 1954, they attempted to assassinate President Nasser (para 101-113, 140-143).

Even after its was dissolved in December 1948, the Brotherhood turned to more violence, militarization and clandestine action. It remained in the grip of the Secret Apparatus for decades, embracing the jihadist philosophy spearheaded by El-Banna and promoted by his disciple Sayyid Qutb.

Brotherhood splinter groups such as al-Takfir wal Hijra assassinated thinkers who publicly criticized the group’s radical ideology. Tanzim Al-Jihad (established by Al-Qaeda’s second man, Ayman Al-Zawahri – a Brotherhood member), assassinated President Anwar el-Sadat in 1981 after he had signed a Peace Treaty with Israel. These groups as well as others linked to the Brotherhood have also carried out terrorist attacks against tourists and religious minorities.

Equally, the Brotherhood has ties with terrorist organisations established outside Egypt by leading figures within its “international network”. According to 9 Bedford Row’s Report, Osama bin Laden, Ayman Al-Zawahiri and Aballah Yusuf Azzam the three founders of al-Qa’ida were prominent members of the “international network” (para 209, 270-313). All three were strong advocates of Sayyid Qutb’s writings, which formed the basis of their justification for the use of violence both internally and externally (para 211-213, 276, 279).

The Brotherhood’s teachings have been adopted as a reference point for many terrorist organisations that target both Islamic and Western societies and people.

For instance, Article II of the Charter of Hamas states that “The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Moslem Brotherhood in Palestine. Moslem Brotherhood Movement is a universal organisation which constitutes the largest Islamic movement in modern times. It is characterized by… its complete embrace of all Islamic concepts…the spreading of Islam… and conversion to Islam” (para 15). Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks was also a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, as was Muhammad Atta, one of the 9/11 hijackers. As offshoots of Al-Qaida, ISIS, Boko Haram and Al-Shabaab are also indirectly linked to the Muslim Brotherhood. All of these groups have cited Sayed Qutb as an inspiration for their actions.

Although the Brotherhood has tried to publicly distance itself from the actions of these groups, it played a central role in providing the ideological framework which forms the core of al-Qa’ida, Daesh, Boko Haram, al-Shabaab and Ansar Beit Al-Maqdis, particularly takfirism (the elimination of any deviation from what they consider to be the Islamic Sharia), global jihad (to bring about the rule of God by force), culminating in the establishment of a global Islamic Caliphate.

US counter-terrorism experts have acknowledged that the Brotherhood continues to advocate the use of violence against innocent civilians. Brotherhood members have provided public support for violent acts of terrorism undertaken by militant Islamist groups. These include former Brotherhood Member of Parliament Rajab Hilal Hemeida, who has publicly praised Bin Ladin, Al-Zawahri and Al-Zarqawi, stating that he “supports their activities” and that “terrorism is not a curse when given its true meaning” (para 319). Other leading Brotherhood figures such as Wagdy Ghoneim, Youssef Al-Qaradawi and Mohamed Badie refer to Bin Ladin as a “martyr”, reject the “crusader” alliance to defeat “brothers in ISIL” and advocate the use of both violent jihad against Western governments and peaceful jihad to “eliminate” and “destroy” Western civilization from within (para 263, 320). They also advocate killing so-called “apostates” from Islam, which includes any Muslim person or government that does not subscribe to their radical ideology.

In addition, the Brotherhood was implicated in providing material and financial support to militant organisations, a fact confirmed by European and US investigative authorities and courts, as well as the UN Security Council (paras 337-352). As a result, it was banned in Syria, Iraq, Russia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.

Given this legacy and ethos of violence, it is no wonder the Brotherhood and its leadership, up until the time of writing, have been involved in a series of acts of indoctrination, intimidation, subversion of the rule of law, clandestine activity and political violence, including during their year in power and during the mass protests against their rule (para 259). As discussed in more detail below, the Brotherhood’s power grab in Egypt during 2012-2013 and the protests it sparked must be viewed within this much broader context.

          2. The Brotherhood’s Rise to Power and Subsequent Fall

The second report by 9 Bedford Row highlights the distortion and political manipulation that led to Morsi’s rise to power. Within a few months of the revolution, the Brotherhood had established a political party, the Freedom and Justice Party (FJP), which it claimed was independent (although all party leadership positions were reserved for members of the Brotherhood’s Guidance Council). The party was able, through false promises, to win a majority in parliament (which was subsequently dissolved by the Supreme Constitutional Court – SCC).

Reneging on their promise not to present a candidate in the country’s first presidential election, the Brotherhood nominated Morsi after the disqualification of Khairat El-Shater, its main financier, who had been previously convicted for charges of money laundering and financing of terrorism (para 11-15, 27).

During these presidential elections, a number of challenges undermined the secular/liberal candidates, not least of which was the confusion besetting the electoral map following the revolution, the large number of candidates (which resulted in splitting the secular/liberal vote), the political organisation of the Brotherhood after years of operating clandestinely and subsequently its ability to mobilise its supporters as opposed to other, newly formed, political parties. This is in addition to reports of irregularities, such as electoral bribing, all factors which culminated in Morsi receiving 24.77% of the vote in the first round, thus qualifying for the presidential run-off.

It was during the run-off that voters truly found themselves between a rock and a hard place. They could either vote for Morsi (and hence the Brotherhood) or Ahmed Shafiq, who was widely perceived to be tied to Mubarak’s regime. Large numbers of people boycotted the vote or voted for Morsi to avoid Shafiq. In spite of this, Morsi’s victory was very narrow, securing only 51.73% (para 32-49).

Having secured control of both the executive and legislative branches of government, the Brotherhood proceeded to monopolise the Constitution-drafting process. In a clearly undemocratic process, they appointed 65 Islamists to the one hundred member Constituent Assembly, leaving only 16 seats to secularists, 5 to Copts and 6 to women. By the time the Assembly’s first session was convened, 25 members had already resigned in protest of the Brotherhood’s dominance, with representatives from the Coptic Orthodox Church resigning shortly thereafter (para 58).

Throughout this process, the Brotherhood’s strategy was “to conceal its true objectives … distorting the true intentions of its political platform to appease the concerns of secular and Christian sects” (para 59). This included making false overtures to women’s equality and minority rights, while condoning violence against both women and Egypt’s Copts and other Christians. It also included openly threatening and intimidating political opponents, secretly releasing convicted Islamist extremists, and embarking on a process of “Islamification” (or rather “Ikhwanisation”) of State institutions

In his less than one-year tenure, Morsi repeatedly exceeded his executive powers and defied the rule of law. Less than two weeks after assuming the Presidency, he flouted Egypt’s SCC by re-instating the Islamist-dominated parliament dissolved by court order. He replaced Egypt’s Prosecutor-General, appointed by the Supreme Judicial Council, with his own appointee, known for his Islamist leanings.

Morsi’s power-grab took new heights when he issued a decree declaring that the judiciary was barred from reviewing his decisions, and in particular barring the SCC from dissolving either parliament or the Constituent Assembly (whose constitutionality was being challenged before the Court) (para 97-112). This was coupled with a rush to appoint Islamist sympathisers to replace those who resigned from the Constituent Assembly. This was intended to allow the Assembly to finalise the constitution before the SCC had a chance to rule on the body’s constitutionality. In a mockery of a process, the draft Constitution was approved within nine days. Brotherhood supporters besieged the SCC to prevent the judges from accessing the building.

Morsi’s decree and his attempt to impose a hastily-drafted, unrepresentative and clearly unacceptable constitution intensified the wave of mass protests against his rule. These protests had never ceased throughout his one-year as President. In fact, a report issued by the presidency during Morsi’s last days in office stated that “a total of 24 million people had taken part in 7709 protests and 5821 demonstrations” even before the final mass protests that removed him (para 187).

From 1 May 2013, the Tamarod (Rebellion) campaign started collecting signatures for a petition calling for Morsi’s ouster and for early presidential elections. The petition is reported to have collected more than two million signatures in the first ten days and more than twenty-two million signatures by 29 June 2013. This far outnumbered the 13.2 million votes Morsi won in the presidential elections (para 236). Between 30 June and 3rd July, millions of people took the streets throughout the country, demanding Morsi’s immediate resignation. However, Morsi remained defiant, refusing to bow to the will of the protestors, and even turning a blind eye to increasing incitement to violence from Brotherhood members and supporters.

In fact, during the protests, Morsi contacted Ayman Al-Zawahri and his brother Mohamed, inciting them to rise against the Egyptian army in the Sinai and to compel all jihadi elements to come to the Brotherhood’s aid. Al-Zawahiri promised to “set the Sinai aflame” (First Report, para 328-29). Until this day, terrorist attacks in the Sinai continue to claim innocent lives, destroying many livelihoods and all but crippling Egypt’s tourism industry.

On 1 July, fearing violence and bloodshed between the protestors and the Brotherhood, the army gave Morsi an ultimatum to resign within 48 hours. Two days later, the army announced a political roadmap, naming the Chief Justice of the Supreme Constitutional Court as interim President (para 263-268).

Conclusion:

Although the Brotherhood purports to present a “moderate” view of Islam, this could not be farther from the truth. The Brotherhood has never embraced democratic principles other than as a vehicle to reach power through their manipulative religious rhetoric. They have openly rejected the civil nature of the state, seeking to impose its rigid and radical views. These were the views decidedly rejected by the majority of Egyptian people in June 2013. God only knows what kind of violence, bloodshed and civil strife could have ensued had the army not taken a stance in favour of the protestors and against the regime. One only needs to look around Egypt to other countries in the region to sense the degree of carnage and chaos that could have ensued.

Egypt is now firmly a state that stands up to, rather then sponsors, finances or condones terrorism. The Muslim Brotherhood that once ruled Egypt has intricate links with other terrorist organisations that have not only wreaked havoc in the Middle East, but have also extended their reach to the United States and Europe, claiming thousands of innocent lives. No country is immune to Islamic extremist terrorism, which has at its core the exclusionary, radical and violent ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood, an organization that also provides moral, material and financial support to these groups. We should not fall into the trap of dealing with each of these groups in isolation or to discriminate in terms of how we treat them. They all share common origins, a common ideology, and common methods of violence and intimidation. It is only through realizing this fact, and through comprehensively addressing the problem from its roots that we may hope one day to eradicate the scourge of terrorism once and for all.

Friday, June 3, 2022

My watershed moment: 5th June, 1967




A few minutes ago I recorded an interview that shall be broadcast by an Egyptian radio station on 5th June, 2022 about 5th June 1967.

This is what I said in this interview :

The year 1967 was a watershed year in my life. It was there that I began my law studies at the university. And it was the shock that separated me from the thinking/mindset of the herd. 

On a day like this, June 5th, 55 years, ago my search for facts began via scientific thinking tools.

On a day like this 55 years ago my mind started its salvation from many ideas and started getting faraway from dogma, ideologies, and more importantly: from hate !

* this interview was conducted in Arabic, and subsequently translated into English by myself.



This photo is of the section of “Judaism & Israel” in my private library.

700 volumes about :

The Bible.

The Torah.

The Meshnah.

The Gemara.

The Midrash.

The History of the Jewish People.

The History of the Modern Israel Project from 1897 till 29th November, 1947.

The establishment of The State of Israel (14th May, 1948).

The 1948, 1956, 1967 & 1973 Wars.

The Political Life in Israel throughout the past 74 years.

Israeli Literature.

Wednesday, May 25, 2022

Recent interview conducted by Professor Aryeh Tepper for Sephardi Ideas Monthly


Aryeh Tepper teaches at Ben-Gurion University and is a Visiting Scholar at the Herzl Institute in Jerusalem. He is Chief Editor and Director of Publications for the American Sephardi Federation.

Mr. Heggy recently emailed the following message to his friends and followers:

 
I have 30,000 books in my library in several languages with sections that address all fields within the social sciences, humanities, arts and literature. Not too long ago, a European journalist marveled at one of the largest sections of my library which includes hundreds of books on "religions." In response to a question from him, I said: my country, Egypt, is comprised of more than Muslims, so how can I not try to know all I can about each religion? In 1967, the year I entered the university, an earthquake occurred in my life, the June 5th war. How can I not try to know all that I can about Israel and the Jews?
 
I immersed myself in the study of the Bible with its two covenants. I studied the history of Christianity, the history of the Egyptian Church, and theological issues. As such, my relationship with my fellow Christians became as it is now. And I delved into a study of the Torah and other sacred books of the Jews, the history of the Hebrews and the Jews over the last 40 centuries, the miserable history of the Jews in Europe after the Romans expelled them from the Holy Land in 70 CE until the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, and the history of Israel since its state was established three years following the end of World War II. As a consequence of these intensive studies, my vision of the Jews and of Israel has become different from those who do not know a fraction of what I mentioned.

 
Sephardi Ideas Monthly: Mr. Heggy, your curious spirit reflects an Egyptian heritage that has been pushed aside by the rise of Political Islam. In your critiques of Political Islam, especially in the form of the Muslim Brotherhood, you point to Muhammad Ali's Egypt (1805-1952) as an alternative. Perhaps you could share with our readers what Muhammad Ali's Egypt represents for you: what thrived in Muhammad Ali's Egypt that has been lost?
 
Tarek Heggy: Go back to the Napoleonic conquest at the end of the 18th century. Egyptians were deeply impressed by the new technical wonders that had been developed in France and Europe. Local observers compared Western technological progress with their own condition, and they knew they had much to learn. Muhammad Ali's Egypt accordingly looked northwest. Muhammad Ali himself and his successors did two things simultaneously: they sent hundreds of Egyptians to study things like modern engineering techniques and irrigation systems in Europe, and they employed hundreds of European experts in all Egyptian government departments. Egypt wanted to become open and modern. Amazingly, the first Prime Minister in Modern Egypt was an Armenian, Noubar Pacha (1825-1899).
 
For me, as person who devoted his life and work to advocate for modernity, I can’t be but impressed by this facet of Muhammad Ali's Egypt. However, this openness was aborted by Gamal Abdel Nasser, who aimed to direct the Egyptian mind from the West to pan-Arabism. Then came Anwar Sadat, who opened Egyptian society and culture to Islamist influence. Currently, the influence of Islam on the Egyptian mindset is undeniably the number one influence.

Sephardi Ideas Monthly: Your critical remark about Anwar Sadat opening Egyptian society and culture to Islamist influence is interesting. Outside of Egypt, Sadat is almost exclusively remembered as a brave peacemaker who was tragically assassinated. Your assessment of Sadat is more complex.
 
Tarek Heggy: Six years ago, after her speech to the British parliament, I shared with Mrs. Sadat my multi-layered judgment of Anwar Sadat. Sadat, undeniably, did very well in the October 1973 war with Israel, a war against an army that was much more powerful than his. Without this step, Sadat wouldn’t have been able to do what he did in November 1977 and reach out to Israel. Thanks to that move, Sadat then returned Sinai to Egypt after it was occupied in June 1967. However, while Nasser banned the Muslim Brotherhood, Sadat let the Brotherhood operate in the shadows. Sadat didn't recognize the Brotherhood, but he tried to use them for various political purposes. This de-facto alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood allowed the Brotherhood to grow, and it was a curse that Egypt still suffers from.
 
SIM: And the Muslim Brotherhood actually assumed power during 2012-13. They were ousted, however, by General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi following the mass public insurgency of July 2013.  Since assuming power, President El-Sisi has pushed back against Political Islam and, as you like to point out, has called for the renewal of religious discourse in Egypt. El-Sisi's anti-Islamist program is part of the larger regional pushback against Political Islam, but he faces enormous challenges, as the forces of Islamism in Egypt are very strong. How do you assess el-Sisi's situation?
 
TH: President el-Sisi is the first Egyptian political leader to speak about the imperative need to renew the religious discourse. In my opinion, this is precisely what Egypt currently needs before anything else. President el-Sisi is the first head of a state to speak about the necessity of renewing the religious context. It is quite obvious that the Islamic institutions in general and al-Azhar University in particular have rejected this call. As far as Al-Azhar, it advocates what could be described as an alloy of the three Islamist contexts: the Wahhabi, the Salafi and the Ikhwani (Muslim Brotherhood) contexts. For the sake of perspective, you must remember, nearly a quarter of all Egyptian students receive an Islamic education in schools managed by al-Azhar.  Personally, I believe that President el-Sisi has been very wise in avoiding a societal conflict about this subject. Meanwhile, I do see that there are quantitative changes that might ultimately help him achieve his goal, totally or partially, without an undesired clash with al-Azhar.
 
SIM: Your remark about Al-Azhar is interesting because some have argued that the Grand Sheikh of Al-Azhar, Dr. Ahmad al-Tayeb, played an important role in defeating the Islamists and extremists after el-Sisi took power. That said, some anti-Islamist intellectuals have, like you, argued that Al-Azhar remains very problematic. What is your opinion? Does the Muslim Brotherhood still have a large following at Al-Azhar, despite its outlawed status in Egypt and the public pronouncements of al-Tayeb?
 
TH: I certainly oppose the current role played by Al-Azhar in Egyptian society. Al-Azhar continues to endeavor to set THE TERMS OF REFERENCE with regard to ALL political, cultural, and societal dimensions of our national life. This role that Al-Azhar continues to seek is undeniably supported by Dr. Ahmed al-Tayeb. Despite the fact that Al-Azhar is not formally related to the Wahhabi, the Salafi and Ikhwani streams, they all have common strategic goals. Political Islam movements are different ONLY tactically, yet they are strategically THE SAME ANIMAL.  All of these movements, organizations and groups ultimately aim at an Islamic State that combines all the world’s Muslims and applies constitutional & legal systems based on al Shari’a (Islamic laws). I should also note that it is quite well known that both Al-Azhar and its current Sheikh have never supported Egypt’s President call to modernize religious education.
 
SIM: Your last point about modernizing religious education is a helpful segue to our final question. How can you shape the future of Egyptian culture when the forces of Political Islam are so deeply entrenched in Egyptian society?
 
TH: My forty-year study of Political Islam in general and in Egypt in particular lead me to believe that saving the collective Egyptian mindset from the plague of Political Islam requires hard work that aims for short term results and, at the same time, for a long-term outcome. While the most effective tool for the long-term goal is education, the powerful tool for short-term results is THE MOSQUE & THE PREACHERS. Egypt has some 200,000 Mosques that, altogether per year, witness between 10-11 million Friday sermons. It's an unrivaled platform that can be used for the most destructive or constructive ends.